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 Re: Sad employment figure for PHDs
Author: mrn 
Date:   2010-10-29 11:33

The situation may be completely different in music, but in my experience (as a science/engineering grad. student) taking out loans for a PhD is rare.

Most grad. students have plenty of other opportunities to pay for their education without having to take out loans--graduate assistantships (teaching or research) and fellowships, employer funding, etc.

My master's degree was free, for instance. I made good grades in college and was awarded a fellowship which paid for it all.

Law school, on the other hand, was a different story (but that was grad. school--that was professional school, and the salaries getting out are high enough to justify borrowing).

The really sad thing, in my opinion, is not that there aren't jobs out there for folks with PhDs. It's that so few Americans have the motivation to pursue post-baccalaureate studies. We in the U.S. are fortunate to have one of the world's finest (if not the world's finest) "system" of higher education, but if you look at who's going to grad. school here (in other fields besides music, anyway) it's largely foreign students, who view education as something more than mere vocational training. Most of my fellow engineering grads were content to get a job straight out of college--guys like me who stayed on to further their education were rare.

I think that's sad because it means that we as a country place a relatively low value on education, and what we place a low value on will necessarily decline in value out of sheer neglect.

It's a similar situation to what we see with music/arts education. One of the most important things music education teaches is the value of hard work and delayed gratification--that it's worth it to practice at something for 2 hours a day to perfect a skill. Other cultures (such as the Japanese, for example) know this, but we in the U.S. seem to have lost sight of that.

I've got to get to work, so I'll get off my soapbox now.... :-)
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