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 Re: Sad employment figure for PHDs
Author: clarinetguy ★2017
Date:   2010-10-27 12:09

To answer bmcgar's question--the post-doc. In many fields, this is now required if one wants to get a job in the academic world.

When I attended college in the 70s, I had several professors who had only a masters. They were competent, and nobody ever noticed that they didn't have the PhD. In fact, our department even had two applied music professors who had only bachelor's degrees, although both had extensive performance experience.

Many of the legendary college band directors of the past had only masters degrees. This would never happen anymore. I know of a highly-regarded university associate director of bands who has tried to "move up." Because he doesn't have a PhD, nobody will consider him for a top job.

As others have pointed out, having a PhD often doesn't really mean much anymore. I can think of some music and education doctoral dissertations I've read on line, and without naming any names, I'm not impressed at all. One music ed. dissertation in particular (please don't ask me to say which one!) is quite honestly 20% substance and 80% fluff.
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